A 14 year old boy just committed suicide over the fact that he thought he was in love with an AI chatbot... This is only the beginning. At some point, the majority will have to stop suffering because of the minority. Some extreme mental health policies and individualized medical care will have to help sort out the extreme kinks in this machine.
Good lord, I have not heard this. Do you have a link to a news article about it? Would love to read more about it...
Who knows what is going to happen as a result of all of this. I have no doubt that stuff like what you describe will happen again and again. At some point though the love for AI robots will be reciprocated, and childless marriages will result. Needless to say, the destruction of the family is part of the agenda's plan.
And people who say this prediction is ridiculous need to think again.
Todd speaking of robots, just read an interesting article from Ben Bartee's Substack today that fits right in and which I will be linking today @.https://nothingnewunderthesun2016.com/
I do believe in "soul energy" in lifeless "things", especially in houses (people's homes), the older the better; when I step over the threshold, many houses speak to me, sometimes neutrally, sometimes joyfully and occasionally I am overcome by a feeling of evilness. What differentiates this "soul energy" is that it isn't alive, it is secondhand, an accumulation of other people's living soul energy.
'I think there might be something to this “soul energy” in lifeless things' Yes, but probably not in the way the moderns would expect. The lifeless things will not develop consciousness, or anything close to it as long as they are algorithmic. But, they can certainly be inhabited by something that has it – a real, and very old intelligence. For more details I'd refer you to Marshall McLuhan: "Satan is a great electrical engineer" or to Paul Kingsnorth: https://www.paulkingsnorth.net/basilisk
Same here. I refuse to deal with any of those things. And I despise automated systems when you try to call a business! I keep saying “speak to a representative” until I get a live human being
I often wonder if our conversations with automated systems are recorder because I'm often muttering expletives down the phone! Your way is so much more civilized and if it gets a human ALLELUIA... I will certainly try it
Last night while visiting my sister and brother in law in their new community, we ate at their communal restaurant and we were served by a faceless robot on wheels. It was startling to me because I imagined it having a “presence “ … causing me to wonder if I was around robots every day if I would relate to them like humans. Scary thoughts! This particular robot had no physical human characteristics … and yet I was relating to it as something… a living entity…yipes!
I wonder if humans are more than programmed bio-machines, i.e., robots. Many find that suggestion offensive, but to the extent that I understand the science, it's inconclusive. That many humans appear soulless fails to prove that all humans lack souls, but raises the question, is it possible to program an emulation of a soul? I suspect that AI will soon answer that question, as AI can be programmed to emulate humans. The classical test of machine intelligence is the inability to distinguish a machine interaction from a human. We're rapidly approaching that. We might soon distinguish AI by it's superhuman ability. That is also becoming apparent.
I think it is possible to program an emulation of a soul, that is exactly what they are doing. But "emulation" is not the real thing. How will we be able to tell if soul is emulated or real? I can't say, but I think we will be able to discern this difference in some very subtle way.
They have for a very long time been able to "emulate" life...animated activity, machines that move like something that is alive, but we know it is not alive.
As I said in another comment, I think humans are so easy to trick, that we will be tricked into thinking robots, or synthetic humans, have souls. Considering, however, that the makers of these machines don't believe souls are real, their attempt to create a soul will not be very successful. Still, I believe people will be tricked...but the truth will slowly destroy them. As the years go on with only synthetic soul-less humans to relate to, real humans will begin to slowly die—for no "apparent" reason.
When I listen to synthetic music, music that is supposed to be played by living human musicians, it may be so well synthesized that I cannot intellectually discern the difference between the synthetic music and real, soul-ful musicians playing it. But my heart knows there is a difference, and that it is soulless. It may take a while of listening to it that I can feel, in my heart, something missing. But I can. I know.
Some audiophiles insist that analog music has a quality lost in digital music, perhaps harmonics. I recall an interview (of Michelle Phillips?) about John Phillips repeating the takes during recording sessions of the Mamas and Papas until 'Harvey', the harmony, was present. That might amount to a resonance.
I recall one interpretation of Pachelbel's Canon in D Major that always moved me to tears, but I've never found the like since I lost the CD. This one is perhaps midrange: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nX_ReyaetE All the notes and technique might be present, yet the performance too mechanical, missing the feeling that people impart from their human experience.
A correspondent suggested binaural beats, e.g., the Monroe Institute's Gateway method studied by the CIA for remote viewing. CIA reports are freely accessible online, and mention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itzhak_Bentov for theory. I'm sort of investigating, but understand that the CIA dropped remote viewing as too unreliable. Resonance is one of those powerful natural phenomena that we use to surprising, sometimes powerful, effect.
I imagine that human-programmed AI will remain constrained by human limits. But when AI self-instructs, it can quickly surmount those limits. When AI understands human physiology better than humans, I'd expect AI to be able to create surprising, novel effects, e.g., perhaps harmony or binaural beats that resonate emotionally evocative brain structures.
I am fascinated with what you present here. But I think what is missing is not "material" in nature, which sample rates in digital music, and "harmonies" as you describe would fall into. Although I think technology has also done a good job in wiping those subtleties away as well.
An analog recording has more information present than a digital recording, and a live performance has more material information present than an analog recording. Can we hear those subtleties? Maybe not with the ears, but maybe so with the heart.
Synthetic music cannot reproduce something the human heart can produce. This is so subtle it may not ever make that much of a difference in how humans function or develop. We could say something similar about human departure due to technology in many other ways...millions of cars on the roads, for example, as opposed to horses or even walking. Has it affected us adversely? Well, considering the mess humans are in today, I would say it is possible.
I agree that analog carries more information than sampled digital, but the test might be, can people reliably distinguish the difference? That seems a tougher test for live compared to recorded, especially considering acoustics.
For my experience with Pachelbel's Canon, since that was subjective, I'm unsure that I would respond identically to an identical interpretation. It might be that hedonic adaptation would alter my perception or response.
I just watched another NOVA on quantum mechanics, including more attention to quantum computing. Between AI and quantum computers, we might be poised to engage the warp drive.
They are conditioning us to getting used to nanotechnology and to be inhuman. This is also evident with the rise in realistic sex dolls which I'm sure will have and maybe already do have robotic characteristics.
... and in Ireland, teachers are being trained how to teach the Social, Personal and Health Education curriculum, which is taught to 12--16 year-olds whereby, amidst other wholly inappropriate sex "education", children are being encouraged to watch "ethical pornography" - whatever that means...
Well let’s not forget about the TV series Battlestar Gallactica where robots and humans are at war. The robots defeated earth and the Gallactica is the last remaining humans fighting for survival.
I never watched the show (although at one time I was considered to compose the music for it!) That's probably why I didn't get the job, because I was not a returning fan of the show! (I am sure I watched a few episodes before my interview!)
I was out dancing in a club back in 2018, fun, bouncy EDM beats, in the DJ's mix was a song with lyrics, "would you...have sex...with a robot?" There were a few other lyrics I don't remember, it was EDM, but that chorus refrain was repeated over and over.
It was kind of disturbing to me at the time. Knowing that most culture is programming, my mind asked why they were programming us to consider the possibility of having sex with robots.
It wasn't a new consideration in entertainment media. Lots of Sci-fi has presented it, even the Star Trek franchise. But in the scene I was at in that moment it felt like it a blatant attempt to normalize the idea. And once the idea is normalized the action can be normalized.
Yes. This is more of the "what to do with the useless idiots but provide them with drugs and video games...and robot sex" until they die off New World Order eugenics.
Normalization is the name of the game for sure. Everything we see now is in the process of normalization, vaccines, masks, trans movement, sex with robots, on and on. And like you say, once it is normalized, there is no turning back.
To me the real fear is in the agenda's effort to create synthetic humans that we, the real humans, believe are the same as us. Not only in their physical and mental abilities (which they have already accomplished) but in their ability to be loved and to love. Humans (real ones) have proven to be so gullible and so easy to convince of just about anything, I don't think this is going to be all that difficult to pull off.
Once this is accomplished we are then doomed. These movies that have come out are part of this effort to "humanize" robots, so we become "tricked" into believing there are no differences between them and us.
....and people will begin to prefer robots to real humans as companions - because they could be programmed to suit the human perfectly! There's a song of ELO's from the 1980's: 'Yours Truly, 2095' about a robot girlfriend:
"She is the latest in technology, almost mythology
A 14 year old boy just committed suicide over the fact that he thought he was in love with an AI chatbot... This is only the beginning. At some point, the majority will have to stop suffering because of the minority. Some extreme mental health policies and individualized medical care will have to help sort out the extreme kinks in this machine.
Good lord, I have not heard this. Do you have a link to a news article about it? Would love to read more about it...
Who knows what is going to happen as a result of all of this. I have no doubt that stuff like what you describe will happen again and again. At some point though the love for AI robots will be reciprocated, and childless marriages will result. Needless to say, the destruction of the family is part of the agenda's plan.
And people who say this prediction is ridiculous need to think again.
Todd speaking of robots, just read an interesting article from Ben Bartee's Substack today that fits right in and which I will be linking today @.https://nothingnewunderthesun2016.com/
You might want to read it - "AI Passport Controls, Robot Floor Polishers, Etc.: Orwell’s Nightmare in the Sharjah Airport" - https://armageddonprose.substack.com/p/ai-passport-controls-robot-floor
Ben Bartee's article sent shivers down my spine... I am SO glad to be nearing the end of my lifespan 😊
I will check it out...THANK YOU!!
This is wonderful, written in March 2023: https://charleseisenstein.substack.com/p/the-robot-who-wanted-to-be-a-man
I do believe in "soul energy" in lifeless "things", especially in houses (people's homes), the older the better; when I step over the threshold, many houses speak to me, sometimes neutrally, sometimes joyfully and occasionally I am overcome by a feeling of evilness. What differentiates this "soul energy" is that it isn't alive, it is secondhand, an accumulation of other people's living soul energy.
'I think there might be something to this “soul energy” in lifeless things' Yes, but probably not in the way the moderns would expect. The lifeless things will not develop consciousness, or anything close to it as long as they are algorithmic. But, they can certainly be inhabited by something that has it – a real, and very old intelligence. For more details I'd refer you to Marshall McLuhan: "Satan is a great electrical engineer" or to Paul Kingsnorth: https://www.paulkingsnorth.net/basilisk
I once wrote an article titled "The Soul of Things" that addressed just what you say here...so I agree..."thing" can have a soul energy...
I love Paul Kingsworth
“Bicentennial Man” 1999 starring Robin Williams is a must see if you missed it
Are you polite to Alexa??!
I am not a real fan of Alexa, although I am never rude to her.
I neither enable nor to speak to a machine... 🙂
Same here. I refuse to deal with any of those things. And I despise automated systems when you try to call a business! I keep saying “speak to a representative” until I get a live human being
I often wonder if our conversations with automated systems are recorder because I'm often muttering expletives down the phone! Your way is so much more civilized and if it gets a human ALLELUIA... I will certainly try it
HAL: I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that
Demon Seed!! Julie Christie raped by a computer
"Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do, I'm half crazy all for the love of you..."
Last night while visiting my sister and brother in law in their new community, we ate at their communal restaurant and we were served by a faceless robot on wheels. It was startling to me because I imagined it having a “presence “ … causing me to wonder if I was around robots every day if I would relate to them like humans. Scary thoughts! This particular robot had no physical human characteristics … and yet I was relating to it as something… a living entity…yipes!
If they are "realistic enough" we all would get used to them (well, not ALL of us I'm sure). But our heart would know something was not quite right.
I wonder if humans are more than programmed bio-machines, i.e., robots. Many find that suggestion offensive, but to the extent that I understand the science, it's inconclusive. That many humans appear soulless fails to prove that all humans lack souls, but raises the question, is it possible to program an emulation of a soul? I suspect that AI will soon answer that question, as AI can be programmed to emulate humans. The classical test of machine intelligence is the inability to distinguish a machine interaction from a human. We're rapidly approaching that. We might soon distinguish AI by it's superhuman ability. That is also becoming apparent.
I think it is possible to program an emulation of a soul, that is exactly what they are doing. But "emulation" is not the real thing. How will we be able to tell if soul is emulated or real? I can't say, but I think we will be able to discern this difference in some very subtle way.
They have for a very long time been able to "emulate" life...animated activity, machines that move like something that is alive, but we know it is not alive.
As I said in another comment, I think humans are so easy to trick, that we will be tricked into thinking robots, or synthetic humans, have souls. Considering, however, that the makers of these machines don't believe souls are real, their attempt to create a soul will not be very successful. Still, I believe people will be tricked...but the truth will slowly destroy them. As the years go on with only synthetic soul-less humans to relate to, real humans will begin to slowly die—for no "apparent" reason.
When I listen to synthetic music, music that is supposed to be played by living human musicians, it may be so well synthesized that I cannot intellectually discern the difference between the synthetic music and real, soul-ful musicians playing it. But my heart knows there is a difference, and that it is soulless. It may take a while of listening to it that I can feel, in my heart, something missing. But I can. I know.
Some audiophiles insist that analog music has a quality lost in digital music, perhaps harmonics. I recall an interview (of Michelle Phillips?) about John Phillips repeating the takes during recording sessions of the Mamas and Papas until 'Harvey', the harmony, was present. That might amount to a resonance.
I recall one interpretation of Pachelbel's Canon in D Major that always moved me to tears, but I've never found the like since I lost the CD. This one is perhaps midrange: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nX_ReyaetE All the notes and technique might be present, yet the performance too mechanical, missing the feeling that people impart from their human experience.
A correspondent suggested binaural beats, e.g., the Monroe Institute's Gateway method studied by the CIA for remote viewing. CIA reports are freely accessible online, and mention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itzhak_Bentov for theory. I'm sort of investigating, but understand that the CIA dropped remote viewing as too unreliable. Resonance is one of those powerful natural phenomena that we use to surprising, sometimes powerful, effect.
I imagine that human-programmed AI will remain constrained by human limits. But when AI self-instructs, it can quickly surmount those limits. When AI understands human physiology better than humans, I'd expect AI to be able to create surprising, novel effects, e.g., perhaps harmony or binaural beats that resonate emotionally evocative brain structures.
To simulations, this wows some: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hk9jct2ozY
I am fascinated with what you present here. But I think what is missing is not "material" in nature, which sample rates in digital music, and "harmonies" as you describe would fall into. Although I think technology has also done a good job in wiping those subtleties away as well.
An analog recording has more information present than a digital recording, and a live performance has more material information present than an analog recording. Can we hear those subtleties? Maybe not with the ears, but maybe so with the heart.
Synthetic music cannot reproduce something the human heart can produce. This is so subtle it may not ever make that much of a difference in how humans function or develop. We could say something similar about human departure due to technology in many other ways...millions of cars on the roads, for example, as opposed to horses or even walking. Has it affected us adversely? Well, considering the mess humans are in today, I would say it is possible.
I agree that analog carries more information than sampled digital, but the test might be, can people reliably distinguish the difference? That seems a tougher test for live compared to recorded, especially considering acoustics.
For my experience with Pachelbel's Canon, since that was subjective, I'm unsure that I would respond identically to an identical interpretation. It might be that hedonic adaptation would alter my perception or response.
I just watched another NOVA on quantum mechanics, including more attention to quantum computing. Between AI and quantum computers, we might be poised to engage the warp drive.
They are conditioning us to getting used to nanotechnology and to be inhuman. This is also evident with the rise in realistic sex dolls which I'm sure will have and maybe already do have robotic characteristics.
exactly...we, as a culture, have already lost the "soul" of sex...thanks to pornography.
... and in Ireland, teachers are being trained how to teach the Social, Personal and Health Education curriculum, which is taught to 12--16 year-olds whereby, amidst other wholly inappropriate sex "education", children are being encouraged to watch "ethical pornography" - whatever that means...
My favorite was the movie ’Short Circuit’. No disassemble!
1986
Well let’s not forget about the TV series Battlestar Gallactica where robots and humans are at war. The robots defeated earth and the Gallactica is the last remaining humans fighting for survival.
I never watched the show (although at one time I was considered to compose the music for it!) That's probably why I didn't get the job, because I was not a returning fan of the show! (I am sure I watched a few episodes before my interview!)
I was out dancing in a club back in 2018, fun, bouncy EDM beats, in the DJ's mix was a song with lyrics, "would you...have sex...with a robot?" There were a few other lyrics I don't remember, it was EDM, but that chorus refrain was repeated over and over.
It was kind of disturbing to me at the time. Knowing that most culture is programming, my mind asked why they were programming us to consider the possibility of having sex with robots.
It wasn't a new consideration in entertainment media. Lots of Sci-fi has presented it, even the Star Trek franchise. But in the scene I was at in that moment it felt like it a blatant attempt to normalize the idea. And once the idea is normalized the action can be normalized.
Yes. This is more of the "what to do with the useless idiots but provide them with drugs and video games...and robot sex" until they die off New World Order eugenics.
Normalization is the name of the game for sure. Everything we see now is in the process of normalization, vaccines, masks, trans movement, sex with robots, on and on. And like you say, once it is normalized, there is no turning back.
I don't fear the robot. I fear whomever programmed the robot.
Yes!
Yes, of course.
To me the real fear is in the agenda's effort to create synthetic humans that we, the real humans, believe are the same as us. Not only in their physical and mental abilities (which they have already accomplished) but in their ability to be loved and to love. Humans (real ones) have proven to be so gullible and so easy to convince of just about anything, I don't think this is going to be all that difficult to pull off.
Once this is accomplished we are then doomed. These movies that have come out are part of this effort to "humanize" robots, so we become "tricked" into believing there are no differences between them and us.
....and people will begin to prefer robots to real humans as companions - because they could be programmed to suit the human perfectly! There's a song of ELO's from the 1980's: 'Yours Truly, 2095' about a robot girlfriend:
"She is the latest in technology, almost mythology
But she has a heart of stone
She has an IQ of 1001, she has a jumpsuit on
And she's also a telephone"
So well said.
Thank you Teeny Shrew