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Barb St. Clair's avatar

Well, this is a constant and touchy subject for me. I watch people living their lives in such rudderless ways, always trying to DO things to make themselves feel better. They are never satisfied, never peaceful, never curious, never "thoughtful" or pondering things, and are completely unaware of the wonders all around them. I generally keep my thoughts to myself. But my dear niece, that I had always taken care of when her mom died, came to a point in her late 50's where she was having panic attacks because she was confused and "unhappy." She tried everything that is popular out there to try to make herself feel good - redecorating, drinking, buying things, even motorcycle racing. I tried so hard to get her to listen to the idea of her deeper self - her spiritual self - her 'aware" self that is behind her daily life and stop rushing around doing busy things. After a year of giving her books she refused to read, or trying to engage her in conversations about it, she suddenly yelled at me that she didn't want to know about such things, and hasn't spoken to me in 2 years. I regretfully assume I was ignorant in my approach. Anyway, it has been so obvious to me that people in our American materialistic, constant entertainment, thrill-a-minute culture that people are frighteningly empty and don't know it. I see older people who have their church community to give them purpose, but they still don't have peace or contentment. I see kids being so angry and ugly and hateful to everyone that it's frightening. Let me contrast that with videos made by Peter Santenello on Youtube that was taken through the biggest slum in India by a teenager who was delightful, desperately poor, but rich with endless friends in a culture that cares about each other. I think Americans have lost any deep connection to Nature, beauty, awe, gratitude, compassion, and just simply knowledge from lack of reading books written by people who have deeply thought about life. Todd, you are outstanding at bring up subjects that really get people to think about things. Thank you.

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

https://dailystoic.com/epicureanism-stoicism/

Bottom up purpose, vs top down purpose.

"Epicureans believe that avoiding pain means not fearing the gods or death, and not desiring things that are not both natural and necessary. Peace of mind should be maintained by living simply and having strong friendships with people you can count on."

I'm not much of a fan of Frankl.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/authoritarian-therapy/201703/is-it-ok-criticize-saint-humanizing-viktor-frankl

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