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CarlosB's avatar

I really enjoyed the breakdown you did of the different ways people process information and the write or wrong guiding principles built into all of us from source.

+1 for the monster truck show. you feel the power in your chest if you sit close enough

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

It's definitely an energy, a psychic energy that unites these predator elite...

I used to think it was external, but like you said, people make up stories.

What would the ancestors think about psychopathy, etc?

Possession perhaps?

There's some interesting theories out there that might tickle your fancy.

1) bicameral mind theory which was explored in one of my favorite shows on consciousness, Westworld! (Don't be afraid of the "trans human" aspects, the show actually shows the pitfalls of it.)

This dovetails with Ian McGilchrist books about the difference of the perception of the hemispheres.

https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/westworld-bicameral-mind-theory-real

2) related but with more of the idea of archetypes, which I see as the foundation that we use to categorize what we perceive and assign narratives to

"Daimonic Reality by Patrick Harpur examines UFOs and a wide variety of “paranormal” phenomena from a rather unique angle. Although Harpur never fully defines the daimonic—“the daimonic that can be defined is not the true daimonic,” as Lao-Tse would say—it seems to exist both inside us and outside us. Like the Greek daemon and unlike the Christian demon, it takes both good/healing and bad/terrifying forms, depending on our commitment to rationalistic ego states.

In a sense, the daimonic is like the collective unconscious of Carl Jung, inside us as a part of our total self that the ego wishes to deny, outside us in all the other humans who ever existed and in the dreams, myths, and arts of all the world. But Harpur follows Irish poet (and Golden Dawn alumnus) W. B. Yeats as often as he follows Jung, and traces some of his ideas back to Giordano Bruno and the alchemical/hermetic mystics of the Renaissance. The daimonic is just a bit more personalized and individualized than Jung’s species unconscious.

Harpur’s major thesis is that unless we recognize the daimonic (make friends with it, Jung would say) it takes increasingly malignant and terrifying forms. For instance, the Greys of UFO abduction lore, he says, are deliberately mirroring our ego-centered and “scientistic” age—showing no emotions of the humans they experiment upon, just as the ideal science student feels no emotion and has no concern with the emotions of the animal being tortured in his laboratory."

Despite dealing with many subjects common to conspiracy theories, this book does not quite fit into that category. We are the conspirators, so to speak. We have repressed the most creative part of ourselves and now it is escaping in terrifying forms."

(-review written by Robert Anton Wilson)

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Todd Hayen, PhD, RP's avatar

This is excellent stuff!! Thank you...wow...great references.

I like to keep in mind that our human reality sits on several levels...one is the material level, where most people reside, the next "up" (or down if you prefer) is the spiritual level that we have access too...then of course there are levels higher...I mention this because I feel I have to be careful in my writing to stay on a particular level and not mix and match, although that isn't always a bad idea.

At a "higher level" there is no "inside" or "external"...we perceive things as such when referencing our experience from one of the lower levels, but in "reality" the evil we are talking about is "internal" (but there is no internal so that is an inaccurate statement). I believe Jung understood this "correctly"...but you have to get pretty deep into his writing to read his explanation of it.

It is easier to see the devil and evil as "external"...possession or whatever, and in truth, this "dark" energy (it is impossible to write anything in words that are not through the lens of duality) "appears" to be a form that can be described...but of course it cannot.

I am diving into the weeds here and should stop...I am sure you get my drift...

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