I believe when someone hates that the hate comes back to that person…like a boomerang. Fortunately.the same for love. Choosing love instead of hate.seems to be the way to go.
Absolutely...but sadly I don't think the Trump haters think that deeply...they believe their hate will motivate them to change something they believe needs to change. Hate is typically useless energy, people confuse it with concern, objective "dislike" or disagreement.
In Martin Luther King’s 1957 speech ’Love Your Enemies’ he says love is the only thing that can break the cycle of hate. That hate destroys the personality of the hater; by twisting their perception; the hater does irrational things. The hater can’t see straight, can’t walk straight, can’t stand upright. For the person who hates the beautiful looks ugly and the ugly looks beautiful; the good becomes bad and the bad becomes good; true becomes false and false becomes true.
He says Jesus didn’t say like your enemies, he said love your enemies and Jesus was the doctor of souls. The symbol of objectivity becomes lost. Hate destroys the very structure of the personality of the hater.
The speech is available online, I recommend everyone read it. I review the speech every year around MLK day with my 3rd grade religious education students (I am a volunteer catechist at my local Roman Catholic Church.)
My minister reduced all negative emotions, e.g., hate, to anger. My understanding of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agitprop is that unthinking threat response is provoked by emotional manipulation of anger and fear, outrage and alarmism, blind rage and panic, e.g., anthropogenic climate change alarmism. That helps motivate a mass movement and stampede of the herd by leveraging https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink Mike Benz has been describing how academia and social media are augmented by AI to manipulate politics, e.g., by smearing politicians to depose them. See:
As much as I despise Joe Biden, how he’s spent his entire political career, how he can’t keep his creepy claws or nose off children and what he’s done to America, I cannot say I hate him. I think I despise people who abuse animals and children more. But the amount of rage and hate I see directed at Trump? I don’t understand it. I think it’s the vax, I truly do. The only people I know who HATE Trump are all vaxed. And they cannot explain why they hate him.
Well, I'm with you on blaming the vax. I am confused as to how the vax can be so specific in its targeting...but I see a lot of other strange stuff with the vax, like lack of empathy, basic adoration of certain authority figures, etc, which all seem very odd that a gene-manipulating substance can be so specific. So I basically rule it out and stay confused.
And there is a difference in what I am talking about regarding hate and deeply disliking someone for being trash, psychopathic (hurting animals), etc. Again, if someone hurt one of my dogs, my anger would be so through the roof I would not be surprised if I killed them...and maybe we could call that a special kind of "hate"...but that would require a direct assault to me...
Agreed on the difference. I feel the same would result if a family member or pet was harmed. So for now I don’t hate anyone. The hatred for Trump I observe makes no sense to me. Right now the only common denominator I see appears to be the vax, but long before the vax I saw these same people swooning over Barack Obama. How to classify these people? Weak minded? Gullible? Sheeplike fits. But they appear to be very easily provoked to violence, more like a troop of baboons
Sounds about right. I wrote an article a while back about character that addressed a few of these things. I had someone once tell me they would always prefer a politician who looked good, was nice, pleasant, and had "good character" over someone who was an ass, ugly, fat, vulgar, but was really good at governing. Go figure.
Good read as usual. Although I'm not a Trump fan, and I did vote for him, I have to admit he's never done anything to me directly to qualify it as hateable. He hasn't kept his promises, but that's a different thing all together. Now my wife, she's a different story. She definitely has TDS and hates Trump. I constantly have to remind her "What has he done to you?", and I always get the non-specific answer of "Everything". It's a no win situation with someone like that and people like her were totally blind to Biden's idiocy. When I bring up some of the things Biden did, it's always "We aren't talking about Biden, we are talking about Trump". Again a no win situation. Linking today @https://nothingnewunderthesun2016.com/
I have a similar situation. I can't say I am still a fan, and maybe never was one. I voted for him because RFKJ said to. I do think while analyzing carefully that his policies are more in alignment with bringing the US back up to where it was...but now I do wonder if he is TOO radical in his methods...and it will all implode on him.
I do think he has "the right idea," but I don't know if his ideas can be implemented in his way without dire consequences...and I am not 100% on board with ALL of his ideas, but we are in a horrible situation...anyway...whatever...
"The horrible thing about the Two Minutes Hate was not that one was obliged to act a part, but, on the contrary, that it was impossible to avoid joining in. Within thirty seconds any pretence was always unnecessary. A hideous ecstasy of fear and vindictiveness, a desire to kill, to torture, to smash faces in with a sledge-hammer, seemed to flow through the whole group of people like an electric current, turning one even against one’s will into a grimacing, screaming lunatic. And yet the rage that one felt was an abstract, undirected emotion which could be switched from one object to another like the flame of a blowlamp."
...
"Nobody heard what Big Brother was saying. It was merely a few words of encouragement, the sort of words that are uttered in the din of battle, not distinguishable individually but restoring confidence by the fact of being spoken. Then the face of Big Brother faded away again, and instead the three slogans of the Party stood out in bold capitals:
Reminds me of a dinner party about 3 years ago when after a few drinks I started speaking my mind and asking uncomfortable questions. RFK jr was brought up and out of the blue this not so bright woman to the left of me blurted out "I hate JFK jr" I then asked the question- Have you ever heard him speak? Answer NO. How can you hate someone you have never listend to ? I asked her. Her answer-" well I dont actually hate him" This is a perfect example of the level of brainwashing (by whatever means) that many are afflicted with. The diner gathering ended soon after as I informed everyone that my late tennis partner( who everyone knew well) a healthy 57 year old who died suddenly was due to several jabs. A year earlier his wife would not let me play doubles with him in a tourament because I was dangerous !!!!! That community is now a memory for me.
You are quite brave...I don't have the cojones to do what you do...Rather, I am passive-aggressive; for my own entertainment, I may drop very well-disguised comments and observations to get reactions. I will only do what you so bravely do if I expect a positive response...
It's easy to get people in such hate mode brainwashing when their executive functioning is no longer working or their brain has been compromised. Think about 1984 and the 2 minutes of hate - also hate is a common thread in such communities. Living too much in the ego will do that too
If only these people could turn off the tv and other brainwashing material, they may ease off some of their unqualified hatred for Trump. I agree that he can be an ass at times but I also see that he has done some good things to date. For Canadians, I think many of them feel HE is responsible for our economic shape yet they can't see what 10 years of Liberal rule (and ruin) has caused. And yes, as long as you either agree with them or remain silent, they are ok but the minute you try to show reason in the slap-down on Trump, they go off on a tangent that you are obviously a Trump-lover blah blah blah. Then they want to get away from you as fast as they can.
My wife is a Trump hater, but I have to admit I don't think she is TDS (she might be, not sure, she hasn't killed me in my sleep yet, so I doubt if she is TDS). She blames everything that happens in the world on him...I mentioned earlier today that we may be in a war with Iran by the end of the week. She says, "I know, he is so crazy that really could happen!!" and I said I thought it was a little more complicated than that..."Trump is the only president for quite some time who actually has made an effort to broker peace in the Middle East." Such a comment was met with an eye roll.
I am surprised we are not hearing how it is Trump's fault that Canada lost the gold to the USA in the hockey match last night...
I'm sure if they could find a way to blame Trump for Canada's loss in hockey yesterday, they would. From some of the things I have read, some Americans were not even proud of their team's accomplishment. Everything has gotten so dam political.
Americans weren't proud? I can't see the angle to that...??
I have never been a fan of nationalistic sports. That's why I would rather celebrate human physical accomplishment through musical talent!! A great pianist has the same athletic ability as an Olympic hockey player but no tie to a particular country (although, yes, indirectly they usually present as being from somewhere on the planet).
Apparently, from what I read, some Americans were not cheering for their team because of Trump. Who knows? The insanity continues. Sue-Ann Levy wrote a great article this morning on the hate for Trump as well. Check it out.
That's funny...so Americans are so disgusted with Trump (so much for democracy, eh?) that they now hate America and all it stands for...including sports teams. That's pretty crazy...I've heard similar insanities.
What an excellent piece ! Of course folks are entitled to their own POV , however I have encountered no one who could explain their hatred for Trump even superficially! Have just re read The Four Agreements, people have no idea how “programmed “ they really are …..again the question remains why shrews seem to be able to blast through at least some of this.
I think the question to ask "why do you hate Trump so much?" is the most revealing...no one I have asked that question to has ever responded with anything that made much sense...and there certainly is a LOT they could say that would be profound and intelligent!! But these people who hate him most don't have a clue as to exactly why.
She tells me about the latest horrible thing she’s heard about him from the tv and says, “Now, don’t tell me. You think that’s okay.”
I say I think it’s great that illegal aliens are being deported.
He’s the most awful person in her eyes. I can’t disagree with her evaluation of his character; but I don’t understand the depth of her emotion.
Like you said-why the hate? People used to disagree and dismiss them (you know, THEM) and move on. Now they seem to think it’s normal to stay angry. Bitterly, mind-alteringly angry. About things that have nothing to do with them.
If you don’t deal drugs, why do you care that those who do are in a prison surrounded by alligators?
Hate is an emotion that damages the one who feels it.
I like what you said about people used to dislike certain people, but then dismiss them and move on.. Now that dislike goes on and on and snowballs into an obsessive hatred..
Yes, yes, yes, you've got it exactly right. This is the reason I can't even dislike him because I would be joining the ranks of these delusional people who hate for no reason.
This is such a good line: "I can’t disagree with her evaluation of his character, but I don’t understand the depth of her emotion."
I have long felt that the universal hatred of trump is far more dangerous than anything the man could do. There is something evil and soul destroying about collective hatred- like a black hole in the cosmos
I believe when someone hates that the hate comes back to that person…like a boomerang. Fortunately.the same for love. Choosing love instead of hate.seems to be the way to go.
Absolutely...but sadly I don't think the Trump haters think that deeply...they believe their hate will motivate them to change something they believe needs to change. Hate is typically useless energy, people confuse it with concern, objective "dislike" or disagreement.
In Martin Luther King’s 1957 speech ’Love Your Enemies’ he says love is the only thing that can break the cycle of hate. That hate destroys the personality of the hater; by twisting their perception; the hater does irrational things. The hater can’t see straight, can’t walk straight, can’t stand upright. For the person who hates the beautiful looks ugly and the ugly looks beautiful; the good becomes bad and the bad becomes good; true becomes false and false becomes true.
He says Jesus didn’t say like your enemies, he said love your enemies and Jesus was the doctor of souls. The symbol of objectivity becomes lost. Hate destroys the very structure of the personality of the hater.
The speech is available online, I recommend everyone read it. I review the speech every year around MLK day with my 3rd grade religious education students (I am a volunteer catechist at my local Roman Catholic Church.)
My minister reduced all negative emotions, e.g., hate, to anger. My understanding of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agitprop is that unthinking threat response is provoked by emotional manipulation of anger and fear, outrage and alarmism, blind rage and panic, e.g., anthropogenic climate change alarmism. That helps motivate a mass movement and stampede of the herd by leveraging https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink Mike Benz has been describing how academia and social media are augmented by AI to manipulate politics, e.g., by smearing politicians to depose them. See:
https://rumble.com/v2xy2su-a.i.-and-the-death-star-of-censorship.-mike-benz-with-sebastian-gorka-on-am.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPPc8OVNngg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33vwRTrSmv8
Thank you!
As much as I despise Joe Biden, how he’s spent his entire political career, how he can’t keep his creepy claws or nose off children and what he’s done to America, I cannot say I hate him. I think I despise people who abuse animals and children more. But the amount of rage and hate I see directed at Trump? I don’t understand it. I think it’s the vax, I truly do. The only people I know who HATE Trump are all vaxed. And they cannot explain why they hate him.
Well, I'm with you on blaming the vax. I am confused as to how the vax can be so specific in its targeting...but I see a lot of other strange stuff with the vax, like lack of empathy, basic adoration of certain authority figures, etc, which all seem very odd that a gene-manipulating substance can be so specific. So I basically rule it out and stay confused.
And there is a difference in what I am talking about regarding hate and deeply disliking someone for being trash, psychopathic (hurting animals), etc. Again, if someone hurt one of my dogs, my anger would be so through the roof I would not be surprised if I killed them...and maybe we could call that a special kind of "hate"...but that would require a direct assault to me...
Agreed on the difference. I feel the same would result if a family member or pet was harmed. So for now I don’t hate anyone. The hatred for Trump I observe makes no sense to me. Right now the only common denominator I see appears to be the vax, but long before the vax I saw these same people swooning over Barack Obama. How to classify these people? Weak minded? Gullible? Sheeplike fits. But they appear to be very easily provoked to violence, more like a troop of baboons
Sounds about right. I wrote an article a while back about character that addressed a few of these things. I had someone once tell me they would always prefer a politician who looked good, was nice, pleasant, and had "good character" over someone who was an ass, ugly, fat, vulgar, but was really good at governing. Go figure.
Good read as usual. Although I'm not a Trump fan, and I did vote for him, I have to admit he's never done anything to me directly to qualify it as hateable. He hasn't kept his promises, but that's a different thing all together. Now my wife, she's a different story. She definitely has TDS and hates Trump. I constantly have to remind her "What has he done to you?", and I always get the non-specific answer of "Everything". It's a no win situation with someone like that and people like her were totally blind to Biden's idiocy. When I bring up some of the things Biden did, it's always "We aren't talking about Biden, we are talking about Trump". Again a no win situation. Linking today @https://nothingnewunderthesun2016.com/
I have a similar situation. I can't say I am still a fan, and maybe never was one. I voted for him because RFKJ said to. I do think while analyzing carefully that his policies are more in alignment with bringing the US back up to where it was...but now I do wonder if he is TOO radical in his methods...and it will all implode on him.
I do think he has "the right idea," but I don't know if his ideas can be implemented in his way without dire consequences...and I am not 100% on board with ALL of his ideas, but we are in a horrible situation...anyway...whatever...
Possibly selective hearing LOL.
There's an Orwell for that:
Nineteen Eighty-Four
Two Minutes Hate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KeX5OZr0A4
"The horrible thing about the Two Minutes Hate was not that one was obliged to act a part, but, on the contrary, that it was impossible to avoid joining in. Within thirty seconds any pretence was always unnecessary. A hideous ecstasy of fear and vindictiveness, a desire to kill, to torture, to smash faces in with a sledge-hammer, seemed to flow through the whole group of people like an electric current, turning one even against one’s will into a grimacing, screaming lunatic. And yet the rage that one felt was an abstract, undirected emotion which could be switched from one object to another like the flame of a blowlamp."
...
"Nobody heard what Big Brother was saying. It was merely a few words of encouragement, the sort of words that are uttered in the din of battle, not distinguishable individually but restoring confidence by the fact of being spoken. Then the face of Big Brother faded away again, and instead the three slogans of the Party stood out in bold capitals:
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH"
Shoot...I forgot to comment on Orwell's "two minutes of hate"...it would have been a nice addition to the article...totally forgot!
Reminds me of a dinner party about 3 years ago when after a few drinks I started speaking my mind and asking uncomfortable questions. RFK jr was brought up and out of the blue this not so bright woman to the left of me blurted out "I hate JFK jr" I then asked the question- Have you ever heard him speak? Answer NO. How can you hate someone you have never listend to ? I asked her. Her answer-" well I dont actually hate him" This is a perfect example of the level of brainwashing (by whatever means) that many are afflicted with. The diner gathering ended soon after as I informed everyone that my late tennis partner( who everyone knew well) a healthy 57 year old who died suddenly was due to several jabs. A year earlier his wife would not let me play doubles with him in a tourament because I was dangerous !!!!! That community is now a memory for me.
You are quite brave...I don't have the cojones to do what you do...Rather, I am passive-aggressive; for my own entertainment, I may drop very well-disguised comments and observations to get reactions. I will only do what you so bravely do if I expect a positive response...
It's easy to get people in such hate mode brainwashing when their executive functioning is no longer working or their brain has been compromised. Think about 1984 and the 2 minutes of hate - also hate is a common thread in such communities. Living too much in the ego will do that too
Exactly...
If only these people could turn off the tv and other brainwashing material, they may ease off some of their unqualified hatred for Trump. I agree that he can be an ass at times but I also see that he has done some good things to date. For Canadians, I think many of them feel HE is responsible for our economic shape yet they can't see what 10 years of Liberal rule (and ruin) has caused. And yes, as long as you either agree with them or remain silent, they are ok but the minute you try to show reason in the slap-down on Trump, they go off on a tangent that you are obviously a Trump-lover blah blah blah. Then they want to get away from you as fast as they can.
My wife is a Trump hater, but I have to admit I don't think she is TDS (she might be, not sure, she hasn't killed me in my sleep yet, so I doubt if she is TDS). She blames everything that happens in the world on him...I mentioned earlier today that we may be in a war with Iran by the end of the week. She says, "I know, he is so crazy that really could happen!!" and I said I thought it was a little more complicated than that..."Trump is the only president for quite some time who actually has made an effort to broker peace in the Middle East." Such a comment was met with an eye roll.
I am surprised we are not hearing how it is Trump's fault that Canada lost the gold to the USA in the hockey match last night...
You are a very patient man, Todd. :)
I'm sure if they could find a way to blame Trump for Canada's loss in hockey yesterday, they would. From some of the things I have read, some Americans were not even proud of their team's accomplishment. Everything has gotten so dam political.
Americans weren't proud? I can't see the angle to that...??
I have never been a fan of nationalistic sports. That's why I would rather celebrate human physical accomplishment through musical talent!! A great pianist has the same athletic ability as an Olympic hockey player but no tie to a particular country (although, yes, indirectly they usually present as being from somewhere on the planet).
Apparently, from what I read, some Americans were not cheering for their team because of Trump. Who knows? The insanity continues. Sue-Ann Levy wrote a great article this morning on the hate for Trump as well. Check it out.
been looking for the article...she's got a lot out there...can't find it...do you have a link???
I sent it via email to you.
That's funny...so Americans are so disgusted with Trump (so much for democracy, eh?) that they now hate America and all it stands for...including sports teams. That's pretty crazy...I've heard similar insanities.
What an excellent piece ! Of course folks are entitled to their own POV , however I have encountered no one who could explain their hatred for Trump even superficially! Have just re read The Four Agreements, people have no idea how “programmed “ they really are …..again the question remains why shrews seem to be able to blast through at least some of this.
I think the question to ask "why do you hate Trump so much?" is the most revealing...no one I have asked that question to has ever responded with anything that made much sense...and there certainly is a LOT they could say that would be profound and intelligent!! But these people who hate him most don't have a clue as to exactly why.
It’s a strange world.
My cousin hates trump. HATES trump.
She tells me about the latest horrible thing she’s heard about him from the tv and says, “Now, don’t tell me. You think that’s okay.”
I say I think it’s great that illegal aliens are being deported.
He’s the most awful person in her eyes. I can’t disagree with her evaluation of his character; but I don’t understand the depth of her emotion.
Like you said-why the hate? People used to disagree and dismiss them (you know, THEM) and move on. Now they seem to think it’s normal to stay angry. Bitterly, mind-alteringly angry. About things that have nothing to do with them.
If you don’t deal drugs, why do you care that those who do are in a prison surrounded by alligators?
Hate is an emotion that damages the one who feels it.
It’s a crazy world.
I like what you said about people used to dislike certain people, but then dismiss them and move on.. Now that dislike goes on and on and snowballs into an obsessive hatred..
Yes, yes, yes, you've got it exactly right. This is the reason I can't even dislike him because I would be joining the ranks of these delusional people who hate for no reason.
This is such a good line: "I can’t disagree with her evaluation of his character, but I don’t understand the depth of her emotion."
To paraphrase a popular quote attributed to various sources, "Hate is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die".
Yes!!
I have long felt that the universal hatred of trump is far more dangerous than anything the man could do. There is something evil and soul destroying about collective hatred- like a black hole in the cosmos
Oh gosh, that sounds so correct. Collective hatred is a scary thing. Harmful to all.
There is no question of the danger, but again, that is the intention of the agenda.
Very well said...